Parts List and Pricing Tips

• Setting up Euro Cut list (Adobe PDF)
• Troubleshooting your Cutlist

  Tips on Trouble Shooting:

  What is the problem?	Questions to Ask yourself	Places to look
  A piece for a cabinet is not printing out on a report.	What did I just change in the cut list? Did I just modify a report? Is this just one cabinet? Or is it all of my cabinets?	If you know you just edited something in your cut list related to this piece, then you should first look there. You may have made a typo of either adding an extra decimal point or you might not have put one in at all or you may have typed in a fraction when you should have typed in a decimal. If you have recently edited a report or the name of the missing piece then you should first take a look at the screen report. If the piece appears on the screen report and not on the printed report then there is a problem with the filters inside the report. If this is just one cabinet you should start looking at the drawing screen. You may find there is a unique situation causing this piece to go missing. For instance, this cabinet may be on an island wall with a back panel on the back side of the island wall. You may have backs turned off for this situation.
  When I calculate my parts I get an error message stating In File - C:\KCD\STDPLIST\My Frame\Box-Top-Sides.prt #1.125, H-(0), (0=YES) : ¾ Finish Ply:  ¾ Finish Ply,  , 30, 0, Finish Left Side, 0 Can’t be found. It may be a TYPO and Should be corrected. (Press “OK” to continue Press “Cancel” to quit)	What was the last thing I changed in the cut list? Have I gotten this error message before? What might be different about this job? Is there a new unit I haven’t drawn before on the screen?	When reading the error message you might want to look for key words to point you in the right direction. For the example given, I would start by looking in the files related to the wall or upper cabinets. I would do this because the file name Box-Top-Sides.prt sounds like it might have something to with the upper cabinet sides. What happened in this case is I left the ‘#’ in the answer box when answering the question about the side depth. I typed in #1.125. #1.125 is not a valid answer, 1.125 is a valid answer though.   This is helpful information for KCD Tech Support, this way we have a better idea of where to look to figure out an answer for you.
  Parts are not coming out the correct size.	What did I just change in my cut list? Am I sure the cabinet is drawn correctly on the screen?	The first place you need to look for part sizes coming incorrect is the drawing screen. First look at the cabinet in the drawing screen and make sure the sizes are what they should be. If you are having trouble with the size of the drawer box, take note of the drawer front height, the drawer opening height and width on the screen. You should then calculate the sizes of the pieces which are coming out incorrect by hand.

• Variable Cheat Sheet

  Variable Cheat Sheet

  Variable	Definition
  H	Height of unit
  D	Depth of unit
  LS	Left stile/side width on unit
  MS	Mid stile/side width on unit
  RS	Right stile/side width on unit
  TR	Top rail/piece width on unit
  MR	Mid rail/piece width on unit
  BR	Bottom rail/piece width on unit
  LMR	Lower middle rail/piece width on unit
  K	Kick height (amount seen from elevation)
  BW	Total back width (for joined units)
  JW	Total joined width

  Variables Unique to Frame Cut List:

  Variable	Definition
  #StdSideThick	Thickness of finished side material
  #StdUnSideThick	Thickness of unfinished side material
  #StdTopThick	Thickness of top material
  #StdBotThick	Thickness of bottom material
  #StdPartitionThick	Thickness of partition material
  #StdBackThick	Thickness of back material

   

  Variables Unique to Frameless Cut List:

  Variable	Definition
  #xMaterialWidth	Detailed material thickness, set in C-Material.prt
  #xStdBackThickness	Thickness of back material, set in C-Material.prt
  #EdgeBandCab	Cabinet edgeband thickness, set in AA-Z-M-Edge-Banding.prt
  #EdgeBandDoorDwr	Flat door and drawer edgeband thickness, set in AA-Z-M-Edge-Banding.prt

  Variables Unique to Closet Cut List:

  Variable	Definition
  #xMaterialWidth	Detailed material thickness, set in C-Material.prt
  #EdgeBandCab	Cabinet edgeband thickness, set in AA-Z-M-Edge-Banding.prt
  #EdgeBandDoorDwr	Flat door and drawer edgeband thickness, set in AA-Z-M-Edge-Banding.prt

• Closet Cutlist Tips

  Helpful Hints: When answering the questions in any part of the cut list you may be better off to use variables and formulas instead of a fixed number. For instance, if you need your sides to be less in height by 3/4 ” and the height of your bottom piece is 3/4 ” you should answer with a variable instead of the fixed number .75. The variable for the bottom height is 'br'. You can find more variables in the help under Parts List Variables. A note for people with the CNC version, you will want to first make sure the overall sizes are coming out correct before filling out the machining questions. It is important to type in decimal values into the answer boxes. KCD recommends checking your part accuracy as often as possible while editing and setting up your cut list method. This will help in determining part errors. For instance, you may, while checking your parts, encounter a typo error. (On occasion KCD will pop up an error box alerting you to a typo.) To fix this you would check the last things you have edited for typos since the last time you checked your parts. If you have only changed a few things, then backtracking your changes will only involve checking a few things. However, if you have made many changes then you will need to look over all of those changes. Because of that, it is recommended that you make only a few changes, then check the sizes, then make a few more changes. This will make finding mistakes much easier. * When looking at the part viewer take a note or two about which parts are coming out incorrect and which dimension is incorrect. This will help you to figure out where to go when you go back into editing your cut list.

  Closet Cut Listing Checklist: Go to A-Setup.prt. Answer all of the questions on this page Draw up a simple closet design on the drawing screen. Make sure there are 2 different interior widths of units on the screen. Go to Parts, highlight your cut list method on the left, click on Calculate. Look at the closet parts on the screen, make sure they are coming out correct for these units.* If your bottom piece is showing an incorrect depth dimension, or your top piece is showing an incorrect width dimension, or your shelf depth and/or width is incorrect then you will need to Edit your cut list method and find the questions relating to these specific parts. In the A-Setup.prt file only answer the questions relevant to the pieces which are coming out incorrectly. For instance, if you are having trouble with the width dimension of the top piece do not change the depth dimension of the bottom. This is not going to take care of your problem with the top width and it will probably create a new problem with the depth dimension of your bottom piece. Below is a list of additional files you will need to go into and edit: AA-Machine Setup.prt (for CNC users only) B-Machine.prt (for CNC users only) C-Drawers.prt D-Pullouts.prt E-Doors.prt F-Cubby-Shelf-Notch.prt (for CNC users only) G-Cubby-Shelf-Rout.prt (for CNC users only) H-Mounting Hole.prt (for CNC users only) Below is a list of files you might need to go into and edit: (To get to these files, click on File then Open then double click the appropriate file) UseMMStart.prt (if you want your parts to print out in millimeters) AA-Fluted Filler.prt (for CNC users only)

• Euro Cutlist Tips

  Helpful Hints: When answering the questions in any part of the cut list you may be better off to use variables and formulas instead of a fixed number. For instance, if you need your sides to be less in height by 3/4 ” and the height of your bottom piece is 3/4 ” you should answer with a variable instead of the fixed number .75. The variable for the bottom height is 'br'. You can find more variables in the help under Parts List Variables. A note for people with the CNC version, you will want to first make sure the overall sizes are coming out correct before filling out the machining questions. It is important to type in decimal values into the answer boxes. KCD recommends checking your part accuracy as often as possible while editing and setting up your cut list method. This will help in determining part errors. For instance, you may, while checking your parts, encounter a typo error. (On occasion KCD will pop up an error box alerting you to a typo.) To fix this you would check the last things you have edited for typos since the last time you checked your parts. If you have only changed a few things, then backtracking your changes will only involve checking a few things. However, if you have made many changes then you will need to look over all of those changes. Because of that, it is recommended that you make only a few changes, then check the sizes, then make a few more changes. This will make finding mistakes much easier. * When looking at the part viewer take a note or two about which parts are coming out incorrect and which dimension is incorrect. This will help you to figure out where to go when you go back into editing your cut list.

  Frameless Cut Listing Checklist: Go to A-Setup.prt. Answer all of the questions on this page Draw up a Standard Base Cabinet on the drawing screen. Make it 30” wide. Go to Parts, highlight your cut list method on the left, click on Calculate. Look at the cabinet box parts on the screen, make sure they are coming out correct for this unit.* If your bottom piece is showing an incorrect depth dimension, or your back piece is showing an incorrect height dimension, or your shelf depth and/or width is incorrect then you will need to Edit your cut list method then Click on B-Cabinet Construction.prt in the lower right hand corner of the screen. In the B-Cabinet Construction.prt file only answer the questions relevant to the pieces which are coming out incorrectly. For instance, if you are having trouble with the height dimension of the back piece do not change the depth dimension of the bottom. This is not going to take care of your problem with the back height and it will probably create a new problem with the depth dimension of your bottom piece. Below is a list of additional files you will need to go into and edit: C-Material.prt D-Drawers.prt E-Doors.prt F-45-Lazysusan-Corners.prt G-Machine-Setup.prt H-Drawer-Pullouts.prt Below is a list of files you might need to go into and edit: (To get to these files, click on File then Open then double click the appropriate file) UseMMStart.prt (if you want your parts to print out in millimeters) AA-Filler.prt (for adjustments to filler sizes and parts) AA-Miscellaneous.prt (for fluted pieces) AA-Setup.prt (for cabinet type specific changes, try not to change much in this file) AA-Radius Shelf.prt (for the radius shelf unit)

• Frame Cutlist Tips

  Helpful Hints: When answering the questions in any part of the cut list you may be better off to use variables and formulas instead of a fixed number. For instance, if you need your sides to be less in height by 4” and the height of your kick is 4” you should answer with a variable instead of the fixed number 4. The variable for the kick height is the letter 'k'. On the instructions page of the Frame cut list method there is a variable cheat sheet which gives examples of a few commonly used variables. A note for people with the CNC version, you will want to first make sure the overall sizes are coming out correct before filling out the machining questions. It is important to type in decimal values into the answer boxes. KCD recommends checking your parts accuracy as often as possible while editing and setting up your cut list method. This will help in determining part errors. For instance, you may, while checking your parts, encounter a typo error. (On occasion KCD will pop up an error box alerting you to a typo.) To fix this you would check the last things you have edited for typos since the last time you checked your parts. If you have only changed a few things, then backtracking your changes will only involve checking a few things. However, if you have made many changes then you will need to look over all of those changes. Because of that, it is recommended that you make only a few changes, then check the sizes, then make a few more changes. This will make finding mistakes much easier. * When looking at the part viewer take a note or two about which parts are coming out incorrect and which dimension is incorrect. This will help you to figure out where to go when you go back into editing your cut list.

  Frame Cut Listing Checklist: Go to Cabinet Box then Box Details, answer all of the questions on this page. Draw up a Standard Base Cabinet on the drawing screen. Make it 30” wide. Go to Parts, highlight your cut list method on the left, click on Calculate. Look at the cabinet box parts on the screen, make sure they are coming out correct for this unit.* If your bottom piece is showing an incorrect depth dimension, or your back piece is showing an incorrect height dimension, or your shelf depth and/or width is incorrect then you will need to Edit your cut list method then Click on Cabinet Box then Base Cabinets then Standard Base. In the Standard Base file only answer the questions relevant to the pieces which are coming out incorrectly. For instance, if you are having trouble with the height dimension of the back piece do not change the depth dimension of the bottom. This is not going to take care of your problem with the back height and it will probably create a new problem with the depth dimension of your bottom piece. Below is a list of additional files you will need to go into and edit: Cabinet Box-> Wall Cabinets-> Standard Wall Cabinet Box-> Tall Cabinets-> Standard Tall Faceframe-> Faceframe Details Materials-> Material 1 Materials-> Material Setup Materials-> Lineal Foot Door/Drawer/Panel-> Doors-> Door Setup Door/Drawer/Panel-> Doors-> Door Method 1 (if you build your own doors) Door/Drawer/Panel-> Drawers-> Drawer Setup Door/Drawer/Panel-> Drawers-> Drawer1 (if you build your own drawer boxes) Door/Drawer/Panel-> Panels Below is a list of files you might need to go into and edit: Cabinet Box-> Base Cabinets-> Base LS Cabinets (if you build base lazy susan, L shaped corner units) Cabinet Box-> Base Cabinets-> Base 45 Cabinets (if you build base 45 corner cabinets) Cabinet Box-> Wall Cabinets-> Wall LS Cabinets (if you build wall lazy susan, L shaped corner units) Cabinet Box-> Wall Cabinets-> Wall 45 Cabinets (if you build wall 45 corner cabinets) Cabinet Box-> Tall Cabinets-> Tall 45 Cabinets (if you build tall 45 corner cabinets)

• Closet Pricing Tips

  Helpful Hints: Set Items you do not use to an extreme value. i.e. If you do not offer the HACGP door style then in D-Door Cost.pcb set the cost of this door to $800/sqft. This will flag the door style for your designers as one you do not carry. KCD recommends checking your price accuracy as often as possible while editing and setting up your pricing method. This will help in determining price errors. To fix this you would check the last things you have edited for typos or other inaccuracies since the last time you edited your pricing. If you have only changed a few things, then backtracking your changes will only involve checking a few things. However, if you have made many changes then you will need to look over all of those changes. Because of that, it is recommended that you make only a few changes, then check the prices, then make a few more changes. This will make finding mistakes much easier. * Remember to include odd or specialty sizes you might not offer all the time.

  Closet Price List Checklist: Go to A-Setup.pcb. Answer all of the questions on this page. If you do not offer an accesory, do not worry about typing in a price for this item leave the default settings. Go to B-Side Cost.pcb. If you have selected to use a lookup list, make sure to read the instructions on this page carefully. Start with the smallest side you offer.* Go to C-Shelf Cost.pcb. Again make sure to read the instructions on this page carefully. Start with the smallest shelf you offer.* Draw up a simple closet design on the drawing screen. Make sure there are 2 different interior widths of units on the screen. Go to Price, highlight your pricing method on the left, and on the right highlight !! KCD Closet Contract, click on Calculate. Look at the closet component prices on the screen, make sure they are coming out correct for these units. If your bottom piece is showing an incorrect cost, you should write down the dimensions of the piece then go back to the C-Shelf Cost.pcb file to look for the mistake. Below is a list of additional files you will need to go into and edit: D-Door Cost.pcb E-Drawer Cost.pcb F-Basket Cost.pcb G-Pullout Cost .pcb I-Molding Cost.pcb